Paul Hamm

[Loner_Cuatro]

If you have been keeping up with the gymnastics part of the olympics, then you know this name.

First, you know all the controversey surrounding him, which is not his fault at all and I would like to say, everything he has won he has deserved.

Now, to the controversy. Which is everyones fault, but Paul Hamms. At the core, is the judges who messed up on the judging, and should know what there doing. The misjudged the Koreans performance, and actually gave him a higher score then what he should have had, meaning Paul Hamm would still be the winner, possibly by a greater margin. What everyone has probably heard is that the judges didnt give the korean guys p-bar performance a high enough start value, but what they didnt tell you is that they didnt deduct the two tenths from his performance, for going over the maximum amount of holds you can have in a p-bar routine. Meaning, they gave the korean guy, a higher score, rather than a lower score that had been suggested.

With that being said, I truly think that Paul Hamm is the best all-around gymnast in the world, (which he is) and there will be so many people against him, for something he had no control over. I wish the people would open their eyes and realize who's at fault here, instead of ruining such a great and joyous time for this athlete.


what do you guys think?

[gillianvalkyrie]

I don't know about that, but I agree with the crowd on the one where the Russian should've won.

[Loner_Cuatro]

I don't know about that, but I agree with the crowd on the one where the Russian should've won.

I dont think the russian should have won, but he defintly deserved a medal. If not silver then defintly bronze, the guy who won did some of the most difficult elements, that nobody does, he deserved the win. I also agree though that Paul Hamm deserved teh silver, his routine is difficult, doing the two consecutive one armed giants is unbelievably hard, then his three releases, is hard as well.

[BeatExeter710]

From what I remember from a short tid-bit about it, the judges graded someone starting with a 9.8, when they should have started at 9.9 or something. That's definetly unfair to Paul Hamm. So... uh yea thats all I really know :riiight:

[ChaosP86]

hes too overrated, yes his all-around routine was good, but he fell really bad. i dont think he deserved his win.the one romanians vault routine was much better than his. but i dont think the second american guy deserved last out of the places they showed.

[MaisalG]

Here's a forum I can write in(even if I do sound stupid). Alright.

First off...I don't normally follow gymnastics, but I do in the Olympics. And I would like to say, that even with that fall on the vault Paul did very well in his last two events and definately deserved the scores he got. As for the Korean score, that is not Paul's fault. He didn't mess up the score and he isn't in charge of going to the judges to fix the Korean's problem(during the meet). The rules state you have to put a complaint in by the end of the following rotation and it seems they didn't care about the starting value then.

Another point that was brought up is that even if they had fixed the starting score of the Korean gymnast(Yang) it would have been lowered down anyway. He had a mistake (too many holds..you are only allowed 3 and he had 5 or 6) in there that would have lowered it down 2 tenths I think. So it evens out anyway since the judges hadn't taken off for that mistake originally either.

I don't know why things like this have to happen. Including that second controversy with the booing audience. I thought the Russian gymnast deserved a higher score too, but it isn't really a good idea yeilding to the audience..then they just might take advantage of it. It also wasn't right to "boo" Paul for pushing him off the medals, because even if Paul hadn't that (really good) gymnast from Italy would have pushed him off anyway. I just can't understand why sports can't be fun anymore.

[Mr.Furious]

if u listened to the news the judges admit they made a mistake, and they cant judge again for a few years, and i heard theyre gonna also give the korean another gold medal but i dont know how that turned out

[PoisonRiceBall]

It's not right that they don't want to award Yang Tae Young a gold medal too. That's ****ed up. I pity the Koreans because they woulda both been 1st and 2nd place. Then Paul Hamm came from behind and shot from 4th to 1st place. I think Paul Hamm should keep his medal since he worked hard, but him and his coach shouldn't so strongly oppose awarding a second gold medal.

[Loner_Cuatro]

It's not right that they don't want to award Yang Tae Young a gold medal too. That's ****ed up. I pity the Koreans because they woulda both been 1st and 2nd place. Then Paul Hamm came from behind and shot from 4th to 1st place. I think Paul Hamm should keep his medal since he worked hard, but him and his coach shouldn't so strongly oppose awarding a second gold medal.

Yang Tae Young has had nothing done wrong to him, as has anyone else. Young was scored justly, it was the Third place guy they complained about. The one that didnt get the high enough start value on p-bars, but also didnt get a deduction on the p-bars. HIs start value should have been a 10.0, but they gave hima 9.9 start value. BUt he did more than the allowed amount of holds on a p-bar, requiring a two tenth of a point deduction, in which the judges did not do. So he got away with a higher score then what he should have had, and maybe should not even have a bronze medal. So you see, the koreans are lucky to even finish 2 and 3.

[platinumtitan]

yeah the commentators commented on that. hehe. anyway they said paul hamm was right to win.

[MaisalG]

Yang Tae Young has had nothing done wrong to him, as has anyone else. Young was scored justly, it was the Third place guy they complained about. The one that didnt get the high enough start value on p-bars, but also didnt get a deduction on the p-bars. HIs start value should have been a 10.0, but they gave hima 9.9 start value. BUt he did more than the allowed amount of holds on a p-bar, requiring a two tenth of a point deduction, in which the judges did not do. So he got away with a higher score then what he should have had, and maybe should not even have a bronze medal. So you see, the koreans are lucky to even finish 2 and 3.

Yep. I'm not sure but I think I mentioned that. It kinda evens out. They didn't start at the full value...but they also didn't take off points in his routine for having too many holds. So I think it would even out either way. Even if they started at a 10...if they took off for that other mistake..he would have been down there anyway.

So...I truely don't know how they should deal with it. They should just leave things as they are. But I really don't care if they both get golds...even though I know it would matter to them.