Games that should die and burn in hell for being mediocre and overhyped

[Slipknot666]

Am I the only one here who's sick as hell of Halo and Counter-Strike? Every goddamned time you say something about a first person shooter you can be guaranteed that one of those two games will be the person's response. And the worst part is that despite MAJOR hype these games really don't have anything going for them, with the exception of CS being one of the first FPS based on Terrorist/CT team fighting. Seriously, all the good FPS have something going for them. Quake and Unreal both helped to introduce games based entirely on insane multiplayer mayhem of incredible proportions. Doom was what brought FPS to the forefront of gaming. Wolfenstein has the fact that it was the first FPS (it came out in the late '80s or REALLY early '90s but I know it was out before Doom). So what exactly do Gaylo and Counter-Dyke have going for them? I see nothing. I would like to know if you people a. agree these games are horrible and have nothing going for them, b. agree they're horrible but see a few strong points, c. disagree and say they own just because everyone else does and you can't afford to not look "cool", or d. disagree and actually have reasons why these games are good (and you'd best post them, asshole, cuz I know there's only gonna be one or two of you who have actual reasons).
Oh, and by the way, any offense Halo or CS fans may suffer as a result of this post is fully intended. Have a nice day, sheep.

[BlackdevilStar]

awww man... awwww frakin man.. i hate counter strike so much it seriously aint even funny.. like i odont see how you can play such a nasty game for so long..its just not fun.. halo is even better.. halo is atleast decent with its graphix.. and it has a sequal whiich came out or is coming out.. they both suck but halo has some strong points.. as for CS it go to hell... it can go to hell and die

[Shaolin-Emu]

halo's gameplay raised the bar just like all the other fps' u mentioned...I think you're blind not to see that...and trust me, im no halo fanboy, but I recognize amazing gameplay when I see it....it really is a better console game than a pc game though...it's got a much better feel on xbox

as for CS.....well.....f*ck CS, it's nothing special

[flyingpapya7190]

cs can screw itself, i hate it theres nothing amazing bout it
i like halo for xbox it has very nice gameplay but for PC it isnt the same

[Loner_Cuatro]

Just about every FPS is the same, you have a crossaire(sp?) in the middle of some sort, you aim and shoot, CS is has more life-like movement, and has a good system set up for playing online, thats probly why it has become so popular but there is alot of hackers which makes me like counter-strike less, Halo, i dont know how some one could not recognize its great gameplay, despite the shootin being to fake because there is no recoil, and health system is whack-off gay cuz of those shields.. ut turing off the shields solves that problem. Other than that, halo is a great game..The other games are just out-dated, gameplay and life-like movements are not as good as halo or counter-strike thats why they have become more popular than Quake and wolfenstein, which i agree are great games as well, but just because they were the firstl, doesnt mean there the best. Im not sayin this to diss neone.. but most people that hate cs is because they got pwned on it.

[Tamago]

What Cuatro said. I'm betting the people here that are dissing on CS are finished with playing it after a 2 year frag-fest, then diss on it for something they should've realized a long time ago and start moving on. Kinda pathetic, really.

[Last Exile Gear]

Finally other people who dont dillude themselves to the many, many shortcomings of these two mediocre games. Neither of them is really excellent, especially Halo. It's just another FPS with some driving missons....ooooh. Big deal.

[Sage5664]

Fsck Halo and Fsck CS. Its okay games but they're really annoying. With all the damn posers going "I can kick your ass and blah blah blah." Halo is the most tireing of all everyone saying they're "The best"

[jinx]

Just about every FPS is the same, you have a crossaire(sp?) in the middle of some sort, you aim and shoot, CS is has more life-like movement, and has a good system set up for playing online, thats probly why it has become so popular but there is alot of hackers which makes me like counter-strike less, Halo, i dont know how some one could not recognize its great gameplay, despite the shootin being to fake because there is no recoil, and health system is whack-off gay cuz of those shields.. ut turing off the shields solves that problem. Other than that, halo is a great game..The other games are just out-dated, gameplay and life-like movements are not as good as halo or counter-strike thats why they have become more popular than Quake and wolfenstein, which i agree are great games as well, but just because they were the firstl, doesnt mean there the best. Im not sayin this to diss neone.. but most people that hate cs is because they got pwned on it.

Why does everyone say that it's just like "real-life" movement? It's not, trust me. Want something more real life like in movement, try America's Army. CS is nothing like real life. It's just not. I hear that from everyone I know. I also hear that it "pwnz0rs," but lets just not talk about that. Basically, all it is, is run, walk, jump, crouch, and shoot, type of game. Not much to it, considering I played it for 2 years.

Also, about it being one of the best games ever, really, it's not. It's all the hype about it and so many people playing it (probably because it's one of the better games that you don't have to pay for).

That's also what I don't understand. People get so turned down by the pay to play, that they don't see the game. "Oh, I have to pay this sum of money, so I'm just not going to play it." Get off that. Games that you pay to play are much better and get updated MUCH more often. People I know say that, games that are free get as much updated as anything else. But I ask you, are any of the updates good? No. Do any of the updates really help the game? No. Do any of the updates actually do something instead of reduce hacking? No. FPS games such as counter-strike only get updated so they will block out hacking just for a bit. Sure, there are different "patches" but there isn't much of a difference except for one or two minor changes.

Now, I could rant a lil' bit more. But I don't want to.

Also, I have nothing against HALO, because I think it's a great game. Tons of fun and they made atleast one good FPS for a change

[CoLdFlaMeZ436]

Hmm...my cousin is the biggest Counter-strike freak you will EVER find. Omg..he is soooo obsessed its not even funny. So I decided to try it...I got steam and al that crap you need....and I got bored with it after about...half an hour and then i deleted it after a week. damn, i hate that game. i mean...it has no plot..run, shoot, crouch, shooot shoot, ..stupid game. halo on the other hand...is a really great game. i dont see how anyone could hate it because it has an interesting plot...like it actually has a story going on. i personally love halo! and in cs..there's all these people that are like..I'm Cal! oOOO im SOOO l337! your clan can win 100,000 bucks if you win the tourny!(thats true by the way) blah blah blah.....BAKA

[Shaolin-Emu]

hmm....for those who think that halo was nothing more than a mediocre fps, you have to realise that there are a few factors that put halo above the norm.

While halo doesnt have any factors that havent already been seen in games in general, the game has elements that havent been seen in other shooters ever before. For instance, how many fps' have you played where you have the full ability to allow your troops to help you? Or kill them for that matter? How many fps' have you played where the enemy AI is actually decent? How many fps' can make you laugh your ass off just listening to the shit that the AI characters say?

The way that halo was approached is what makes it great. It's more involved and thought out than other fps games. It's also the most detailed shooter (if not most detailed game in general) to ever be released on a console.

on the other hand. I can see how people hate how everybody and their mother thinks that they're the best, and can mop the floor with anybody. The multiplayer mode, while fun, isnt THAT different than any other multiplayer game, spare the fact that its one of the few where you can use vehicles.

It's a given that some people arent gonna like halo for whatever reason...but it's very annoying when they absolutely refuse to give credit where credit is due

and again...f*ck cs, it's nothing more than a mod

[Loner_Cuatro]

Hmm...my cousin is the biggest Counter-strike freak you will EVER find. Omg..he is soooo obsessed its not even funny. So I decided to try it...I got steam and al that crap you need....and I got bored with it after about...half an hour and then i deleted it after a week. damn, i hate that game. i mean...it has no plot..run, shoot, crouch, shooot shoot, ..stupid gameon the other hand...is a really great game. i dont see how anyone could hate it because it has an interesting plot...like it actually has a story going on. i personally love halo! and in cs..there's all these people that are like..I'm Cal! oOOO im SOOO l337! your clan can win 100,000 bucks if you win the tourny!(thats true by the way) blah blah blah.....BAKA


FPS like that arent supposed to really have plots because its only a mod from half-life, its an online versus game, which i think why its so fun, your competing against other people do be the best, you probly quit after week, cuz you gave up... cant expect to play a week on it and kick ass.

[Hieithedragon89]

I like Halo and CS they have redefined both on Xbox and PC. they both have a spell that draws new players and keeps the old.

[Slipknot666]

hmm....for those who think that halo was nothing more than a mediocre fps, you have to realise that there are a few factors that put halo above the norm.

While halo doesnt have any factors that havent already been seen in games in general, the game has elements that havent been seen in other shooters ever before. For instance, how many fps' have you played where you have the full ability to allow your troops to help you? Or kill them for that matter? How many fps' have you played where the enemy AI is actually decent? How many fps' can make you laugh your ass off just listening to the shit that the AI characters say?

The way that halo was approached is what makes it great. It's more involved and thought out than other fps games. It's also the most detailed shooter (if not most detailed game in general) to ever be released on a console.

on the other hand. I can see how people hate how everybody and their mother thinks that they're the best, and can mop the floor with anybody. The multiplayer mode, while fun, isnt THAT different than any other multiplayer game, spare the fact that its one of the few where you can use vehicles.

It's a given that some people arent gonna like halo for whatever reason...but it's very annoying when they absolutely refuse to give credit where credit is due

and again...f*ck cs, it's nothing more than a mod
Since you're the only one who's debating against me decently here, you're the only one who I'll bother debating against. Anyone else here who could put up a good debate here seems to be agreeing with me. Anyways...

Allow troops to help: Rainbow Six and that came out LONG before Gaylo.
Kill your troops: Rainbow Six, once again LONG before Gaylo.
Decent enemy AI: I've never played a FPS with decent AI, I've played games like the Unreal series with INSANE enemy AI though. Try playing UT or UT2k3 with the bots set on Inhuman or Godlike. Unless you're a crazy FPSer you're gone before you can do 20 dmg to anyone.
Funny AI: There's some good one-liners in Unreal II, but it came out after Halo.
And as for Halo being a highly detailed (and possibly MOST detailed ever) console game, I'm going to have to disagree. PS2 has an "inferior" Grapics Processing Unit and when I go back and look at screen caps from FFX It's a helluva lot more detailed than anything I've EVER seen on XBox.
Now why did Halo deserve credit again?

You people can bring your "1337 Halo skills" and I'll whipe you out with skills honed on FPS that are actually difficult. I'm gonna laugh when Halo 2 is even more mediocre and overhyped than the first. It's inevitable. When the first actually SUCKS the sequel will never be better. And I wouldn't expect anything special from HL2 either, you'll most likely just end up disappointed. Especially when they developers are stupid enough to have a system so easily accessed that they lost a huge chunk of their source code.

*edit*Nice to see there are some honest people on Dragid who are actually voting that they only like Halo or CS because others do*edit*

[Shenlong]

I will admit that both Halo and CS are way overrated in the gaming world. However, the two games do deserve some credit in the fun factor, but its true that there are much better FPS's out there. You just gotta look past all the hype and look for them.

[Loner_Cuatro]

Since you're the only one who's debating against me decently here, you're the only one who I'll bother debating against. Anyone else here who could put up a good debate here seems to be agreeing with me. Anyways...

Allow troops to help: Rainbow Six and that came out LONG before Gaylo.
Kill your troops: Rainbow Six, once again LONG before Gaylo.
Decent enemy AI: I've never played a FPS with decent AI, I've played games like the Unreal series with INSANE enemy AI though. Try playing UT or UT2k3 with the bots set on Inhuman or Godlike. Unless you're a crazy FPSer you're gone before you can do 20 dmg to anyone.
Funny AI: There's some good one-liners in Unreal II, but it came out after Halo.
And as for Halo being a highly detailed (and possibly MOST detailed ever) console game, I'm going to have to disagree. PS2 has an "inferior" Grapics Processing Unit and when I go back and look at screen caps from FFX It's a helluva lot more detailed than anything I've EVER seen on XBox.
Now why did Halo deserve credit again?

You people can bring your "1337 Halo skills" and I'll whipe you out with skills honed on FPS that are actually difficult. I'm gonna laugh when Halo 2 is even more mediocre and overhyped than the first. It's inevitable. When the first actually SUCKS the sequel will never be better. And I wouldn't expect anything special from HL2 either, you'll most likely just end up disappointed. Especially when they developers are stupid enough to have a system so easily accessed that they lost a huge chunk of their source code.

*edit*Nice to see there are some honest people on Dragid who are actually voting that they only like Halo or CS because others do*edit*

I dont see any reasons there why halo is bad.. you only saying halo is bad because it came out with the same stuff as other games before it, and how does that make it bad? Its only improved on flaws in older games, though i must admit rainbow six 3 kicks ass, but did steal some of its style from halo, and in halo your squad shoots back at you, which can be entertaining. Halo is deeply detailed through the game, not just during screen caps like the ones you see in FFX, because most of the game it has average grapchis. And even in those specially detailed screen caps, there not that great.

[jinx]

Since you're the only one who's debating against me decently here, you're the only one who I'll bother debating against. Anyone else here who could put up a good debate here seems to be agreeing with me. Anyways...

Allow troops to help: Rainbow Six and that came out LONG before Gaylo.
Kill your troops: Rainbow Six, once again LONG before Gaylo.
Decent enemy AI: I've never played a FPS with decent AI, I've played games like the Unreal series with INSANE enemy AI though. Try playing UT or UT2k3 with the bots set on Inhuman or Godlike. Unless you're a crazy FPSer you're gone before you can do 20 dmg to anyone.
Funny AI: There's some good one-liners in Unreal II, but it came out after Halo.
And as for Halo being a highly detailed (and possibly MOST detailed ever) console game, I'm going to have to disagree. PS2 has an "inferior" Grapics Processing Unit and when I go back and look at screen caps from FFX It's a helluva lot more detailed than anything I've EVER seen on XBox.
Now why did Halo deserve credit again?

You people can bring your "1337 Halo skills" and I'll whipe you out with skills honed on FPS that are actually difficult. I'm gonna laugh when Halo 2 is even more mediocre and overhyped than the first. It's inevitable. When the first actually SUCKS the sequel will never be better. And I wouldn't expect anything special from HL2 either, you'll most likely just end up disappointed. Especially when they developers are stupid enough to have a system so easily accessed that they lost a huge chunk of their source code.

*edit*Nice to see there are some honest people on Dragid who are actually voting that they only like Halo or CS because others do*edit*

I have to say that HALO is detailed. RPGs are made to be detailed, so I'm thinking he means in the actual game (unlike other FPS' don't have as much detail). HALO 2 is going to be a great game. Any video game producer that makes a great game, than a crappy game, will get a bunch of shit. Have you seen Final Fantasy lack on it's gaming play? No (okay...maybe FFX and FFX-2). But they are too smart to do something as stupid as that.

You say that it will suck. Well...lets look at the ratings...Oh yea, your opinion at a business standpoint DOESN'T MATTER. It's the numbers that matter. But there are the critics that actually make a good point (you're not one of them, your points are flawed considering HALO is a great game, better than any other FPS I've played).

You fail to actually play the game, looks at the plus instead of the negative. "Oh, look, it's a FPS, it's crap, it's just like all other FPS'." Yes, I would agree with you on any OTHER FPS, but HALO is nothing like that.

I'd like to see some more points to actually show that HALO is a bad game like CS.

[Shaolin-Emu]

Since you're the only one who's debating against me decently here, you're the only one who I'll bother debating against. Anyone else here who could put up a good debate here seems to be agreeing with me. Anyways...

Allow troops to help: Rainbow Six and that came out LONG before Gaylo.
Kill your troops: Rainbow Six, once again LONG before Gaylo.
Decent enemy AI: I've never played a FPS with decent AI, I've played games like the Unreal series with INSANE enemy AI though. Try playing UT or UT2k3 with the bots set on Inhuman or Godlike. Unless you're a crazy FPSer you're gone before you can do 20 dmg to anyone.
Funny AI: There's some good one-liners in Unreal II, but it came out after Halo.
And as for Halo being a highly detailed (and possibly MOST detailed ever) console game, I'm going to have to disagree. PS2 has an "inferior" Grapics Processing Unit and when I go back and look at screen caps from FFX It's a helluva lot more detailed than anything I've EVER seen on XBox.
Now why did Halo deserve credit again?

You people can bring your "1337 Halo skills" and I'll whipe you out with skills honed on FPS that are actually difficult. I'm gonna laugh when Halo 2 is even more mediocre and overhyped than the first. It's inevitable. When the first actually SUCKS the sequel will never be better. And I wouldn't expect anything special from HL2 either, you'll most likely just end up disappointed. Especially when they developers are stupid enough to have a system so easily accessed that they lost a huge chunk of their source code.

*edit*Nice to see there are some honest people on Dragid who are actually voting that they only like Halo or CS because others do*edit*

aight, good call...however, if my memory serves me correctly, Rainbow Six was reknowned as a PC game, and sucked balls on the console....and in most cases, you actually had to use your troops...yea, you could kill them, but you could also play as them. Halo has killable NPC's..and its just so fun

As for the details, yea, FFX is hella detailed, but its not on the same level. Halo has an amazing attention to smaller details, like battle damage on walls and vehicles and such. Stuff that you generally dont look for in a video game. Take a sniper rifle and zoom in on a box of ammo...you can read the details off of em. There are tons of examples (small stuff like the overheating of the plasma rifles, if ur playing multiplayer, watch a characters gun glow for a few seconds after if overheats)

Im not really arguing for Halo as a PC game...in that case, a lot of it has been done before (although maybe not as refined). As a console game, Halo is the best FPS since Goldeneye

[Slipknot666]

I have to say that HALO is detailed. RPGs are made to be detailed, so I'm thinking he means in the actual game (unlike other FPS' don't have as much detail). HALO 2 is going to be a great game. Any video game producer that makes a great game, than a crappy game, will get a bunch of shit. Have you seen Final Fantasy lack on it's gaming play? No (okay...maybe FFX and FFX-2). But they are too smart to do something as stupid as that.

You say that it will suck. Well...lets look at the ratings...Oh yea, your opinion at a business standpoint DOESN'T MATTER. It's the numbers that matter. But there are the critics that actually make a good point (you're not one of them, your points are flawed considering HALO is a great game, better than any other FPS I've played).

You fail to actually play the game, looks at the plus instead of the negative. "Oh, look, it's a FPS, it's crap, it's just like all other FPS'." Yes, I would agree with you on any OTHER FPS, but HALO is nothing like that.

I'd like to see some more points to actually show that HALO is a bad game like CS.
Sure, RPGs are made to be detailed, but Shaolin-Emu didn't say Halo was possibly the most detailed FPS on any console, he said Halo was possible the most detailed GAME on any console. I'm just arguing that point by saying FFX, which is still not the greatest example but still beats out Halo, especially considering the fact that PS2's Graphics Processor is half the size of that of the XCox. And you're right: any game company that makes a great game then a crappy game IS gonna catch a lot of flak for it, but the words "great game" just make me start to think either a. not talking about Halo or b. there's ANOTHER FPS called Halo, one that's actually GOOD. Now if you were to say "mediocre game with the only new feature being driving missions" then we'd be on the same page here and I'd understand EXACTLY what Halo you were talking about.
So my points are flawed because I say Halo is crap but your points are valid because you say Halo is great? Just wondering, but HOW THE HELL DOES THAT WORK? What, are you an ignorant, inbred redneck or something? And as for Halo being a better FPS than any other you've ever played, that statement brings a question to my mind: what other FPS HAVE you played?
And now on to your last paragraph so I can be through with you.
1. When did I say I hadn't played Halo?
2. Did I say Halo was crap like EVERY OTHER FPS? No, I said Halo was crap and that there are MUCH BETTER FPS OUT THERE. Jesus Fúcking Christ people need to learn to pay more attention to other people's posts.
3. I didn't base my hatred of Halo and CS on the fact that they're FPS, I based it on the fact that the two of them are probably the 2 worst FPS I've ever played (actually, scratch that, CS is only third worst, Half-Life is worse, just because it introduced that shitty engine and it gets REAL boring REAL quick).
4. Here's an argument against Halo that shows it ACTUALLY sucks, just like CS: It's a cheap clone of other FPS that are actually GOOD and it attempts to throw them together to make something better, but fails on that attempt. If you think the campaign is so cool you should play Unreal II, it has a crazy ass campaign that's a lot more fun than Halo's. If you think Halo "pwnzorz all" for multiplayer then you need to play Unreal Tournament/UT2k3 and you'll see real FPS multiplayer action.

I dont see any reasons there why halo is bad.. you only saying halo is bad because it came out with the same stuff as other games before it, and how does that make it bad? Its only improved on flaws in older games, though i must admit rainbow six 3 kicks ass, but did steal some of its style from halo, and in halo your squad shoots back at you, which can be entertaining. Halo is deeply detailed through the game, not just during screen caps like the ones you see in FFX, because most of the game it has average grapchis. And even in those specially detailed screen caps, there not that great.
You trying to argue with me is like a puppy trying to protect its master from a cougar: it's pointless. But regardless of that, here we go again.
1. What flaws in other games did Halo improve upon? I said that game eats ass for quarters because it's WAY too hyped and it's NOT anything special. Where's the groundbreaking features? Oh, it doesn't have any? Well damn, with all this shit I've been hearing about "Halo's the best game ever!!!1111!!!!!111111!!!!" (1s purposefully put in there to make fun of pansy ass bitches who don't have the strength to hold down their shift key for their entire sequence of exclamation marks) I would have thought that Halo would introduce something incredible to us. But did it? Not unless your idea of incredible means dumbasses who have no clue what a REAL FPS is like, because Halo and CS sure as Hell did a good job of introducing those to us.
2. What style did RS3 steal from Halo? I haven't played it, but I'm willing to bet it runs off the same engine as the first RS, which I have played, and if that's true then that means it DIDN'T steal ANYTHING from Halo. BUT I do know that Halo stole elements from it, such as the troops helping you. And who gives a shit if your squad shoots back at you? Not like they stand a chance anyways.
3. And you don't think FFX was deeply detailed throughout the entire game? I'd say its graphical depth kicks the shit out of Halo's, but, you know, that COULD just be me. But that's doubtful.

aight, good call...however, if my memory serves me correctly, Rainbow Six was reknowned as a PC game, and sucked balls on the console....and in most cases, you actually had to use your troops...yea, you could kill them, but you could also play as them. Halo has killable NPC's..and its just so fun

As for the details, yea, FFX is hella detailed, but its not on the same level. Halo has an amazing attention to smaller details, like battle damage on walls and vehicles and such. Stuff that you generally dont look for in a video game. Take a sniper rifle and zoom in on a box of ammo...you can read the details off of em. There are tons of examples (small stuff like the overheating of the plasma rifles, if ur playing multiplayer, watch a characters gun glow for a few seconds after if overheats)

Im not really arguing for Halo as a PC game...in that case, a lot of it has been done before (although maybe not as refined). As a console game, Halo is the best FPS since Goldeneye
Thank you for the compliment with the "good call". It's cool to find people that can be friendly while arguing. I just usually have problems with being friendly to dumbasses like Loner, especially dumbasses that can't spell like, well, Loner. But you seem pretty respectable, and you're actually intelligent, so I'll take a more friendly approach to this argument with you than I do with the generic dumbasses I seem to find around every corner here (like Loner).

I'll agree with you on RS sucking on consoles, but if MY memory serves ME correctly you just said Halo introduced things not seen in other shooters, you didn't say Halo introduced things not seen in CONSOLE shooters. So that's why I used FPS that are only good on PC. And in RS you didn't HAVE to play as your troops, it just made it easier, kinda like not killing your troops in Halo makes it somewhat easier (as if it needed to be easier, I haven't seen a difficult moment in that game and I know a kid who sits there and beats Legendary in 1/2 hour.) And all campaign based FPS have killable NPCs, what do you think CPU controlled enemies are?
I thought you were talking about detail as in graphics-wise, not attention to small details on items and such. But if that's where you were goin' then I'll replace my mention of FFX with a mention of Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2. Even on the PSOne, Metal Gear Solid had great attention to small details. You left footprints in the snow for example. You could see and read the labels on things like rations. When you tossed a chaff grenade you could see the tiny little radio jamming particles that came out of it. In MGS2 the tranquilizer gun had varying effects on your target depending on where you hit them, for example a hand hit would take a while to knock them out whereas a chest or head hit would be instant KO (how's that for realism?) And I don't feel like further racking my brain for examples of incredible detail in the 2 MGS games. Halo as a console game may be the best FPS, but good FPS on console is almost as much of an oxymoron as cool pokemon.

[Hieithedragon89]

Slipknot666 Shut Up Damn it you wannabe fan boy go get a life and quit raging on one of the best games Ever made Halo!!!!

[Loner_Cuatro]

You trying to argue with me is like a puppy trying to protect its master from a cougar: it's pointless. But regardless of that, here we go again.
1. What flaws in other games did Halo improve upon? I said that game eats ass for quarters because it's WAY too hyped and it's NOT anything special. Where's the groundbreaking features? Oh, it doesn't have any? Well damn, with all this shit I've been hearing about "Halo's the best game ever!!!1111!!!!!111111!!!!" (1s purposefully put in there to make fun of pansy ass bitches who don't have the strength to hold down their shift key for their entire sequence of exclamation marks) I would have thought that Halo would introduce something incredible to us. But did it? Not unless your idea of incredible means dumbasses who have no clue what a REAL FPS is like, because Halo and CS sure as Hell did a good job of introducing those to us.
2. What style did RS3 steal from Halo? I haven't played it, but I'm willing to bet it runs off the same engine as the first RS, which I have played, and if that's true then that means it DIDN'T steal ANYTHING from Halo. BUT I do know that Halo stole elements from it, such as the troops helping you. And who gives a shit if your squad shoots back at you? Not like they stand a chance anyways.
4. And you don't think FFX was deeply detailed throughout the entire game? I'd say its graphical depth kicks the shit out of Halo's, but, you know, that COULD just be me. But that's doubtful.

Yes the game is a bit overhyped, but no reason to say it sucks, In other games, the CPU players would just rush at you if they saw/ heard you, halo, the weaker enemies go and try to find stronger soilder to help them fight against you, which is a hell of a lot more challenging then some guy rush at you, you taking him out with a silenced weapon, and some how other troops come out after you one by one, and then bam bam bam.. just continuously(sp?) being takin out by you.. get pretty boring. Fighting grounds are great, large fields with small bushes to rocky hills to fight in, no small confined areas all the time. Throw a grenade near turrets/ vehicles and boom if light enough can move and kill enemies and even you.. havent seen a game do that yet. Having the sniper rifles loaded with piercing bullets so that you can take out more than one enemy witha well placed shot, very life like, sticking a grenade on an enemy, and depending on the person they freak out and run an kill their team, or smarter enemies coming and trying to kill you, which has amazing detail there, showing intellegence and variety of enemies just like in real life. Some enemies having armor that actually protects, which makes you have to have precise aim in some cases of the game. Vechiles acually take damage, and can be disabled if taken enough, they can flip over and hurl you out, and even kill you. Ariving at battles where fellow soilders are fighting, and are smart enough to upgrade to better alien weapons which allow them to be more productive, adn they actually cover you, and do a good job at it. Parts of the game that require you to use vehicles, and become good enough at it to avoid taking to much damage from an enemy to get to the desired point.

You cant compare apples to oranges, onl apples to apples, rpgs are made for detail, and whether it be gc, ps2, or xb, there going to be highly detailed( i didnt get out what i was trying to say right last time about ffx, wasnt thinking clearly.) But halo compared to other FPS's on a console or computer, is a great game, IMO, and im sure in many others as well. o and in our nuber system, it goes, 1,2,3,4 buddy :p !11!!!!!1 ( purposely put 1's to make fun of you while you attempt to make yourself seem better than someone else, by making fun at something as stupid as that, when you make mistakes yourself, because guess what? were all human.)

Edit: Forgot to add, you can jump out of your vehicle while it is moving, and it will keep moving which can be used to kill your enemy and cover your ass. Another thing that adds to halo's awesomeness as a game, in multi-player mode, throw a 2 plasma's on a dead guys body, one blows up and sends the body flying up, then the next one goesm and the body either fly up higher, or goes straight down, left or right or some directions, hows that for detail?

[Shaolin-Emu]

Halo as a console game may be the best FPS, but good FPS on console is almost as much of an oxymoron as cool pokemon.

that's all I was looking for. see, with it being a good FPS on a console, it deserves the hype

and thank you loner for laying down perfect examples of the non-graphical details

im just gonna say that as a console game, halo is raised the bar. As a computer game, it's been done before, although maybe not as refined (which is natural since it's being compared to older games)

slipknot, I appreciate the complements...and I think I'll call it a day

[Slipknot666]

Slipknot666 Shut Up Damn it you wannabe fan boy go get a life and quit raging on one of the best games Ever made Halo!!!!
So if I'm a "wannabe" fanboy then how exactly do I have no life? And speaking of having no life, look who's talking, assbag. And I laugh at how you post no basis for saying Halo is one of the best games ever made, you just say it is. Twenty bucks says if you voted here and voted honestly you would have gone for the "They ROXXORZ! I like them cuz everyone else does and I wanna look "cool" so I can't badmouth games even if they ARE worthless " category.

Yes the game is a bit overhyped, but no reason to say it sucks, In other games, the CPU players would just rush at you if they saw/ heard you, halo, the weaker enemies go and try to find stronger soilder to help them fight against you, which is a hell of a lot more challenging then some guy rush at you, you taking him out with a silenced weapon, and some how other troops come out after you one by one, and then bam bam bam.. just continuously(sp?) being takin out by you.. get pretty boring. Fighting grounds are great, large fields with small bushes to rocky hills to fight in, no small confined areas all the time. Throw a grenade near turrets/ vehicles and boom if light enough can move and kill enemies and even you.. havent seen a game do that yet. Having the sniper rifles loaded with piercing bullets so that you can take out more than one enemy witha well placed shot, very life like, sticking a grenade on an enemy, and depending on the person they freak out and run an kill their team, or smarter enemies coming and trying to kill you, which has amazing detail there, showing intellegence and variety of enemies just like in real life. Some enemies having armor that actually protects, which makes you have to have precise aim in some cases of the game. Vechiles acually take damage, and can be disabled if taken enough, they can flip over and hurl you out, and even kill you. Ariving at battles where fellow soilders are fighting, and are smart enough to upgrade to better alien weapons which allow them to be more productive, adn they actually cover you, and do a good job at it. Parts of the game that require you to use vehicles, and become good enough at it to avoid taking to much damage from an enemy to get to the desired point.

You cant compare apples to oranges, onl apples to apples, rpgs are made for detail, and whether it be gc, ps2, or xb, there going to be highly detailed( i didnt get out what i was trying to say right last time about ffx, wasnt thinking clearly.) But halo compared to other FPS's on a console or computer, is a great game, IMO, and im sure in many others as well. o and in our nuber system, it goes, 1,2,3,4 buddy :p !11!!!!!1 ( purposely put 1's to make fun of you while you attempt to make yourself seem better than someone else, by making fun at something as stupid as that, when you make mistakes yourself, because guess what? were all human.)

Edit: Forgot to add, you can jump out of your vehicle while it is moving, and it will keep moving which can be used to kill your enemy and cover your ass. Another thing that adds to halo's awesomeness as a game, in multi-player mode, throw a 2 plasma's on a dead guys body, one blows up and sends the body flying up, then the next one goesm and the body either fly up higher, or goes straight down, left or right or some directions, hows that for detail?
1. CPU characters running away isn't something that Halo did first. Since you didn't say FPS, you said games, I'm gonna point out that in a lot of FF games chocobos run away from battle to avoid being killed. And besides, throwing themselves at you like cannon fodder is all the weaker CPU baddies are good for, and in most games the bad guys are serving some "higher power" that would kill 'em for running away anyway, so they toss themselves at you.
2. Last time I checked everything in Halo gets taken out by a player character just as fast (if not faster) than in other FPS. That point has been invalidated.
3. The fact that there aren't hardly any confined areas just makes it less difficult. Try maneuvering around enemies that do assloads of damage to you in confined spaces. It's a lot harder than anything you'll ever do in Halo. Hell the first Skaarj that you fight in Unreal II is probably harder than anything you'll find in Halo.
4. "Throw a grenade near turrets/ vehicles and boom if light enough can move and kill enemies and even you.. havent seen a game do that yet." Not sure exactly what you mean by that cuz I don't understand poor grammar very well, but if you mean that your explosive weapons can kill enemies and you, then yes, I have seen that in other games more times than I care to try figuring out. Games like Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2003, Unreal, Unreal II, Counter-Strike (even though CS still sucks), and many other FPS.
5. A sniper rifle with bullets that enter a target, exit that target, and still have enough velocity to take out several more targets isn't that lifelike, and for that matter, neither is being able to set up enough targets to do something like that in most cases. And grenades that stick to things isn't very lifelike either, if it stuck to stuff it would stick to your hand and you'd be it'd be lights out.
6. What was that about having to aim due to things about enemies, such as armor? Didn't I already say a lot of other games make you actually aim to get better effect out of your shots? Like I said about MGS2 if you shoot your target in the hand with the tranq gun it does a lot less than if you shot him in the head. And even CS has a system where your damage depends on where you hit your opponent. A head shot is a lot more powerful than a leg shot.
7. Once again, since you didn't specify FPS, you're just talking about games in general (at least that's what's to be gathered from what you've said) I'm going to say GTA games have cars that can be destroyed, can be flipped, and can kill you.
8. Even in the FIRST Rainbow Six your teammates change weapons (it can be automatically or you can make them with keys on the keyboard) so that's nothing new, even for FPS.
9. What's special about requiring you to use vehicles? And what good does pointing that out do? Both New Renz and myself have pointed out that vehicle missions are pretty much the one thing that Halo introduced, and it certainly wasn't anything special.
10. I wasn't comparing apples to oranges, I was comparing a game to a game. Now last time I checked FPS and RPG are both games. Saying you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare a Granny Smith apple and a Red Delicious apple because they are two different variants of the same thing.
11. Wow you found a mistake that I made. I bet it took you all four hours that my post was up before yours to find it too. Good job. No, really, you should celebrate this. You found a mistake that I made. I don't remember ever claiming I NEVER make mistakes, only that I make far fewer than dumbasses like you. And I also don't remember saying I wasn't human (unless I've claimed to be the devil, but I don't remember saying that on Dragid). And apparently whenever I make fun of someone/something the only thing you have to say about it is "I'm making you look bad while you attempt to make yourself look better than someone else." Shut the Hell up, dude, that crap gets really annoying. You remind me a freshman. God, I hate freshmen (as a general rule, not all freshmen, but most, just to point out for dumbasses like Loner).
12. Who gives a crap if you can jump out of your vehicle in Halo and have it still moving? You can do that in GTA also, and once again, you never said you were talking about FPS only. Oh, yeah, and having a grenade make a body fly up into the air and get blown around in the air isn't realistic. Realism for something like that is in Unreal Tournament where firing explosives into a corpse makes it explode. Anyways, on to talking to the only intelligent person arguing against me...

that's all I was looking for. see, with it being a good FPS on a console, it deserves the hype

and thank you loner for laying down perfect examples of the non-graphical details

im just gonna say that as a console game, halo is raised the bar. As a computer game, it's been done before, although maybe not as refined (which is natural since it's being compared to older games)

slipknot, I appreciate the complements...and I think I'll call it a day
I wasn't saying Halo was a good console game, I was saying that FPS on console suck so bad that even something that crappy might seem good, hence the "a good console FPS is almost as much of an oxymoron as cool pokemon" thing. For console FPS it may have raised the bar, but if so then not by much, cuz there really is no bar to raise. But as a PC game Halo is below nothing. I'd play CS over Halo as a PC game, that's how damn much I'm sick of "Halo this, Halo that, Halo PWNZORZ and it's the greatest FPS ever". Fúck that.
And you're welcome for the compliments, I just try to be nice to people who are nice to me. Been good talkin' with ya. See ya latez.

[Loner_Cuatro]

1. CPU characters running away isn't something that Halo did first. Since you didn't say FPS, you said games, I'm gonna point out that in a lot of FF games chocobos run away from battle to avoid being killed. And besides, throwing themselves at you like cannon fodder is all the weaker CPU baddies are good for, and in most games the bad guys are serving some "higher power" that would kill 'em for running away anyway, so they toss themselves at you.
2. Last time I checked everything in Halo gets taken out by a player character just as fast (if not faster) than in other FPS. That point has been invalidated.
3. The fact that there aren't hardly any confined areas just makes it less difficult. Try maneuvering around enemies that do assloads of damage to you in confined spaces. It's a lot harder than anything you'll ever do in Halo. Hell the first Skaarj that you fight in Unreal II is probably harder than anything you'll find in Halo.
4. "Throw a grenade near turrets/ vehicles and boom if light enough can move and kill enemies and even you.. havent seen a game do that yet." Not sure exactly what you mean by that cuz I don't understand poor grammar very well, but if you mean that your explosive weapons can kill enemies and you, then yes, I have seen that in other games more times than I care to try figuring out. Games like Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2003, Unreal, Unreal II, Counter-Strike (even though CS still sucks), and many other FPS.
5. A sniper rifle with bullets that enter a target, exit that target, and still have enough velocity to take out several more targets isn't that lifelike, and for that matter, neither is being able to set up enough targets to do something like that in most cases. And grenades that stick to things isn't very lifelike either, if it stuck to stuff it would stick to your hand and you'd be it'd be lights out.
6. What was that about having to aim due to things about enemies, such as armor? Didn't I already say a lot of other games make you actually aim to get better effect out of your shots? Like I said about MGS2 if you shoot your target in the hand with the tranq gun it does a lot less than if you shot him in the head. And even CS has a system where your damage depends on where you hit your opponent. A head shot is a lot more powerful than a leg shot.
7. Once again, since you didn't specify FPS, you're just talking about games in general (at least that's what's to be gathered from what you've said) I'm going to say GTA games have cars that can be destroyed, can be flipped, and can kill you.
8. Even in the FIRST Rainbow Six your teammates change weapons (it can be automatically or you can make them with keys on the keyboard) so that's nothing new, even for FPS.
9. What's special about requiring you to use vehicles? And what good does pointing that out do? Both New Renz and myself have pointed out that vehicle missions are pretty much the one thing that Halo introduced, and it certainly wasn't anything special.
10. I wasn't comparing apples to oranges, I was comparing a game to a game. Now last time I checked FPS and RPG are both games. Saying you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare a Granny Smith apple and a Red Delicious apple because they are two different variants of the same thing.
11. Wow you found a mistake that I made. I bet it took you all four hours that my post was up before yours to find it too. Good job. No, really, you should celebrate this. You found a mistake that I made. I don't remember ever claiming I NEVER make mistakes, only that I make far fewer than dumbasses like you. And I also don't remember saying I wasn't human (unless I've claimed to be the devil, but I don't remember saying that on Dragid). And apparently whenever I make fun of someone/something the only thing you have to say about it is "I'm making you look bad while you attempt to make yourself look better than someone else." Shut the Hell up, dude, that crap gets really annoying. You remind me a freshman. God, I hate freshmen (as a general rule, not all freshmen, but most, just to point out for dumbasses like Loner).
12. Who gives a crap if you can jump out of your vehicle in Halo and have it still moving? You can do that in GTA also, and once again, you never said you were talking about FPS only. Oh, yeah, and having a grenade make a body fly up into the air and get blown around in the air isn't realistic. Realism for something like that is in Unreal Tournament where firing explosives into a corpse makes it explode. Anyways, on to talking to the only intelligent person arguing against me...

1.You should be under that assumption, considering your are talking about Halo not being anything special for an FPS, becuase i was. I said that the weaker enemies, are dumber, and dont think about running at you to kill you, they run around and usually end up killing their own, which shows the makers detail in having a varitey of intellegence, not only strength.
2.That point may be, but I have never seen NPC's go and pick up enemy weapons before.
3. There are confined areas, inside ships, buildings and such, and also a wide variety of different terrain, which just adds to points why Halo is a better than average FPS. But im going to stand by my opinion with open area making it harder, enemies come from all side, turrets set up, hiding in rocks, confined areas in the map making them harder to find. But im not saying small map areas are easy either, im just saying open areas can be more difficult.
4.Sorry bout that, i meant to say, you can throw a grenade near a turret/ light vehicle, and if close enough the object will fly as well which you can use as a strategy to take out more than one enemy at a time.
5. Today that might not be possible, but the makers to into consideration that the game was set in the future, so weapon would be advanced, and again ill say that only the less intellegent enemies sometimes line up so its possible.
And for the nades, again it is set in the future, and like grenades today, something is set off so they explode, which is probably the same for the plasma that stick, something sets off the sticky-ness i guess... otherwise i have no idea why they wouldnt stick to your hands.
6.That is something wrong with halo, sort of, shots to the head do more damage than anywhere else, but a torso shot do the same as if you were to hit him in the hand, but i ment for the armor, jackals, the guys with shields, you have to have a wellplaced shot in order to them, or the guys with metal on there bodies, have to hit them in the neck, or in the back to kill it, as in other games, bullets would just pierce armor.
7.Again, i was under the assumption of you thinking i was talking about an FPS, because you said halo was nothing special for an FPS.
8.Cant say anything there, you got me.
9.I dunno, i just like using them, but i guess it would be pretty cool to have an alternate route filled wiht enemies, making it harder to get there if you fail with the vehicle.
10. It was a figure of speach, FPS's and RPG's are both games, but no the same type of game.
11.Actually i glanced over and found it in my post which didnt take to long, considering i was on draigd for what... 15 mintues after i got home from church when i saw your post. Your hate is well-placed, I am a freshman. But i was simply making a big deal out of nothing, just like you did with the !!!111!!! thing...
12.Again the assupmtion of the FPS thing... dont really feel like typing the whole thing again, but doing that can be used as a strategy, which i have yet to see in other FPS's, but maybe there have been something similiar, im no guru of FPS's... havent played any amount close to them all. Yea, I guess it isnt really that life like, but it sure as hell is fun do to, and makers took time to do that, to make the game more enjoyable.

And i guess i too will call it a day, i've said all I've had to say, Halo is a great game, but a little to overhyped.

[Hieithedragon89]

1st thing Your Gay Slipknot666 2nd thing your a wannabe goth. 3rd thing The hype for Halo 2 is well deserved.

[Slipknot666]

1st thing Your Gay Slipknot666 2nd thing your a wannabe goth. 3rd thing The hype for Halo 2 is well deserved.
Wow. Does someone have a little bit of sand in his vagína? I really didn't know reading someone's post can tell you what their sexual orientation is when they say nothing of whether they like men or women. But in case you were wondering I'm probably the straightest person you'll ever meet. I love women. Nothing compares to a good woman. Or did you mean I'm happy? Cuz if you did, then sure I am cuz I enjoy when faceraping douche-noses like you can't think of anything better to do than call someone gay. And no, I am not a wannabe goth. I could care less for the gothic culture, just like I could care less for the religious culture. I am me, plain and simple, which is more than I can say for most of the people in this world, including but not limited to you, apparently. And once again you post how the Halo franchise is so great and yet you post no basis for this other than your own dumbassery (yes I said dumbassery, that's my new made-up word for the day, kinda like how I made up gigantamongous, meaning incredibly large, used in situations like referring to the canyon-like hole known as the vagína of Hieithedragon89. Now if only you could find a tampon big enough to fit it and some midol to calm your stupid ass down...)

[Hieithedragon89]

Ok Slipknot666 so you can care less of Religious culture?? so that proves your a Goth. any way I will defend Halo intill my Death.

[Slipknot666]

Ok Slipknot666 so you can care less of Religious culture?? so that proves your a Goth. any way I will defend Halo intill my Death.
Except for the fact that 1. there's more to gothic culture than just disliking religion and 2. there are more types of people who hate religion than just goths. Like Atheists, because Atheism isn't really a religion, or at least I wouldn't personally consider it one. Oh, yeah, and if hating religion proves that I'm a goth (which is doesn't, but I'm going to make you look like more of a dumbass here) then how am I a "wannabe goth", which you said I was in your other post? You have GOT to be THE single most ignorant, moronic, half-brained, inbred, ignorant assface I've ever had a conversation with online. Good day, asshole, and don't bother posting again because I'll just make you look like more of an ignorant piece of shit than I already have, and you so obviously don't need any help with that one. And I've never heard of "intill", maybe you should learn to spell during the time that you're going to refrain from attempting to flame me. And I really don't see how merely saying Halo is a great game and that the franchise deserves all the hype it gets is defending it. If you were defending it you would be pointing out good things about it, although that may be rather pointless because most of it's been done before, making Halo an obsolete game before it ever even came into existence. Loner and Shaolin-Emu have done a good job of posting things that are decent about Halo. But many of those decent parts aren't as decent as they may seem, like the "realism" of having a corpse with a grenade on it fly up in the air when it blows up, when in all reality it should explode with the grenade.

[Hieithedragon89]

Oh I can see what kind of person you are Slipknot666. your the person that is afraid of other peoples opioions and you lash out by proving ever one wrong or bad mouthing ever one that post to your lame ass excuses. your the kind of person that would intimidate a 5 year old just to make your self happy inside. hey if you have problems at your house keep them there don't take out on us. you depressed little pansy...

[primal.instinct]

damn, all i can say is that Slip and Shaolin are making some of the best damn points i've ever seen about FPS games. Well, Loner seems to be fighting his points but losing all in the end.

but back to the point on this thread...

Look, i'll first start off that no one has to like every game ever made. personally, i enjoyed FFX and since i was a little late in the new generation of consoles, i haven't exactly finished it and my FFX-2 copy is warming up to get played. you may not like certain games such as those mentioned, but hey, what the hell should i care? i like them, that's all that matters. they're not the best i've played, personally, i love 6 and 7 much much more.

All this goes the same with FPS games. Sure as hell Halo and Counter-Strike have received way too much hype. I don't really see why they should get ALL that damn hype, they're not the end-of-all-game games. Shit, UT2k3 and the upcoming UT2K4 is gonna totally open a 40 oz. bottle of shut-the-f*ck-up on Halo and CS.

I liked Halo, not exactly the best, but still fun. Story was decent enough (again, not the best for RPGs rule the story catagory. Come on, it IS another FPS game), and if i like storyline and a sequel is following up, i'm always willing to see the end of that story.

Driving around the Warthogs and stuff was also kinda fun as well as hearing little chit-chat the little creature spit out "GET IT OFF ME!!" or "NO NO BAD CYBORG!!" that shit was hilarious. Detail was excellent for a console game. As with every FPS games, i also enjoyed outrunning and outgunning those creepy ass Flood creatures.

Shit, how can you not enjoy blowing the be-jeezus out of an enemy and see it's entrails and limbs flying? But that's why i like UT2k3 better. it's funny as hell especially with victory dances.

Anyways, that's why i like the game. not because every other fagbag out there is on a bandwagon being dumb about games they play.

Just remember, Halo is just another FPS with a few other features. nothing suprising.



As for CS.... it's not... bad... but below my standards of a good game. It's a fun get together game with friends, but MOST fun just to jump in a server in an internet cafe and just rape all these people young and old for a few hours. CS is just like porno. You enjoy it for the time being...but feel dirty as hell afterwards for realizing what the hell you just did.

Other than party gaming and raping... CS is pure crap to me. It's like the good lady friend you have, or man friend if you're a girl, she's cool and all, but does nothing for you.

And Slip, just leave the names of games as they are in the future. No need to rename them just to emphasize your point in hating them. Putting up a post and totally out-post-raping some of the dumbasses in dragid is more than enough to show hate.

[Slipknot666]

damn, all i can say is that Slip and Shaolin are making some of the best damn points i've ever seen about FPS games. Well, Loner seems to be fighting his points but losing all in the end.

Actually Loner's doing a damn good job of arguing his points, he seems to be improving very nicely at arguing.

All this goes the same with FPS games. Sure as hell Halo and Counter-Strike have received way too much hype. I don't really see why they should get ALL that damn hype, they're not the end-of-all-game games. Shit, UT2k3 and the upcoming UT2K4 is gonna totally open a 40 oz. bottle of shut-the-f*ck-up on Halo and CS.
Agreed.

Oh I can see what kind of person you are Slipknot666. your the person that is afraid of other peoples opioions and you lash out by proving ever one wrong or bad mouthing ever one that post to your lame ass excuses. your the kind of person that would intimidate a 5 year old just to make your self happy inside. hey if you have problems at your house keep them there don't take out on us. you depressed little pansy...
ROFLMFAO Oh, no, what am I gonna do? He found out! You know nothing of me other than what I've told you, which isn't much because I try to avoid talking to 13 year olds who think they're some kind of badass. I'm afraid of no one's opinion, which is why I've stated before that I don't even care what people here think about me. I prove dumbasses like you wrong because morons are entertaining. And you're the one who really started the badmouthing, so why don't you give yourself a righteous asswhuppin' for bein' wrong again, hypocrite. Really? You know what kind of person I am? I'm not the kind of person who would pick on little kids (or at least not REALLY little kids, you're old enough to have your ass whupped) I'm the kinda guy that would beat your goddamned face in for looking at me funny, especially after you talk this senseless bullshit and attempt to make fun of me when you'd be lucky to beat my 11 year old little cousin in an argument. And who in the Hell said I had a poor home life? I enjoy my life just fine, can the same be said for you? Plus you're the one who started trying to flame me, so you're the one taking out your frustrations on me, I'm just retaliating because I find it entertaining to see little bitches freak out and think of random things that aren't even applicable to the current situation and attempting to make fun of me with them. Why don't you stop wasting your time and mine and just SHUT THE HELL UP?! You're just a crybaby little bitch who needs to grow a brain and some balls. I'm going to add another thing onto the list of things I think you are: immature. Grow the hell up. Stop brooding on the fact that your life most likely revolves around attempting to flame people on Dragid.

[Hieithedragon89]

I'm not going any where Slipknot. I have all day I can Argue with you. and you acctualy started Flaming ever one first. So I can argue with you for Hours. go ahead trough any insult at me it doesint bother me one bit :stickout: :stickout: :stickout: :lol: :lol: :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Slipknot666]

I'm not going any where Slipknot. I have all day I can Argue with you. and you acctualy started Flaming ever one first. So I can argue with you for Hours. go ahead trough any insult at me it doesint bother me one bit :stickout: :stickout: :stickout: :lol: :lol: :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The only insult I aimed at anyone here really, before you started talkin' that shit of course, was calling Loner a dumbass, and I now retract those statements because he's learned to argue reasonably well and he seems to be somewhat of a nice guy, so I'm not gonna be an asshole to him anymore. And who said you were arguing with me? You never posted any arguments, you only said that Halo was a kickass game (and didn't post any basis for it) and you attempted to flame me. Where's the argument there? You make this far too easy for me, if you want to continue this discussion you should at least make it SOMEWHAT challenging. But I guess I shouldn't expect that much from an immature small child.

[Hieithedragon89]

Ahhh I miss the good old days of being an Immatrue child the years that really matter in your life. thanks for reminding me Slipknot...

[Slipknot666]

Ahhh I miss the good old days of being an Immatrue child the years that really matter in your life. thanks for reminding me Slipknot...
You're welcome, and seeing as how this is mostly just turning into a one-sided (my side) flame war, I'm going to call it a day. Maybe I'll argue your ass into oblivion some more tomorrow. For now I'm off to play FFXI.

[Hieithedragon89]

Dear Slipknot666,

4 reasons that Halo is a good game.

1. The voice acting in Halo is unbelievable. well sure it's not SSX tricky with all the star voice actors. but Halo's Voice overs fit to the character's mouth very good. but it's not any Final Fantasy 10 voice overs.

2. Halo's story is unique in it's way of story telling. while keeping the player still guessing right next to the next scene or Level.

3. Halo's Realism factor. I have played many games that you can really interact with the environments. for exaple: Splinter Cell opend up a hole new world of realism. just picking up bottles and troughing the bottles at Guards or the enemys so you can freak them out or lure them away. and a another Exaple of realism at it's best Metal Gear Solid 2 : Sons of Liberty you can leave foot prints, shoot bottles, kick fruit kick Guards of the ralls etc... as for Halo just walking on the grass can make you eyes wander for minutes. also in most games body's just don't fly around. when you trough a plasma or Frag Gernade. The body's can acctualy fly any where.

4. AI Componet's
As for most games AI like the First Metal Gear Solid for playstation. The AI could of been better alot better. but that's besides the point here. In Halo the Marines can pick up Enemy weapons. they can think for themselfs unlick some of the other games I played where you had to Babysit your Companions. If you try to kill too many of your Marine friends thwy think your a tratior and trough gernades at you and shoot the Hell out of you.


Also the reason Halo is liked by ever one is that. It fulfills The American Dream.

[Slipknot666]

Dear Slipknot666,

4 reasons that Halo is a good game.

1. The voice acting in Halo is unbelievable. well sure it's not SSX tricky with all the star voice actors. but Halo's Voice overs fit to the character's mouth very good. but it's not any Final Fantasy 10 voice overs.

2. Halo's story is unique in it's way of story telling. while keeping the player still guessing right next to the next scene or Level.

3. Halo's Realism factor. I have played many games that you can really interact with the environments. for exaple: Splinter Cell opend up a hole new world of realism. just picking up bottles and troughing the bottles at Guards or the enemys so you can freak them out or lure them away. and a another Exaple of realism at it's best Metal Gear Solid 2 : Sons of Liberty you can leave foot prints, shoot bottles, kick fruit kick Guards of the ralls etc... as for Halo just walking on the grass can make you eyes wander for minutes. also in most games body's just don't fly around. when you trough a plasma or Frag Gernade. The body's can acctualy fly any where.

4. AI Componet's
As for most games AI like the First Metal Gear Solid for playstation. The AI could of been better alot better. but that's besides the point here. In Halo the Marines can pick up Enemy weapons. they can think for themselfs unlick some of the other games I played where you had to Babysit your Companions. If you try to kill too many of your Marine friends thwy think your a tratior and trough gernades at you and shoot the Hell out of you.


Also the reason Halo is liked by ever one is that. It fulfills The American Dream.
1. Voice acting=something not really needed in a game, although it may make it slightly funnier. Besides there have been FPS with better dialogue. Like Duke Nuken 3D. When you walk up to a stripper and hand her money. "Shake it, baby" and you get to see some tittayz.
2. Like I said in another thread a lil bit ago, great story alone can't make the game, although it can help. And besides there have been games with great story since you were still suckin' your mom's titties for nourishment. Halo gives us nothing new in that department, and it doesn't even BEGIN to improve upon it.
3. In a section about the "realism" of Halo you point out how a grenade thrown on a corpse makes the corpse fly. Yeah, that's realistic. Maybe you should play some Unreal, where the corpses EXPLODE from explosives, y'know, like they SHOULD if you're going for realistic. Are you stupid, simple, or just plain retarded?
4. Wow, NPCs that can think for themselves. Because FPS that have single player versions of multiplayer games (like Unreal Tournament and Quake Arena) didn't introduce that a longass time ago. Notice how in Unreal Tournament the bots also pick up weapons you drop, and they do a hell of a lot better job of using them on you than anything I've seen in Halo.
What's that about the American dream? I didn't know Halo involved eating fetuses, I hear that's all the rage here now. (I don't know, I just had to throw out some abstract idea for the American dream, since there is no "real" American dream, it's another opinion based thing).

[~c2k~]

halo and cs may be overrated, but they are still fun to play, i do play cs on pc and stuff, but i stopped playing halo. i dont see whats so bad about them, of course i play other games but why do you people HATE them SOO much they arent that bad are they?

[IncenseJunky1]

Both of those games suck. I LOVE CALL OF DUTY AND FIREARMS! (Even tho not many people play firearms)

[Ramina-Riku]

I like CS and HAlo lol FPS!!!!!

[Sanders]

Ban this fag.

Reason? Bringing system wars to dragid.

[Loner_Cuatro]

Ban this fag.

Reason? Bringing system wars to dragid.

A forum is a place for your opinions, and his is that Cs and Halo are to overhyped. People post back with their opinions and we got some semi good debating, which to me, is the only thing now that keeps this place interesting now that theres no other good threads.

[Hieithedragon89]

Some people are not intitled to there Opinions... When there acting like an ass about there Opinions...

[Loner_Cuatro]

Some people are not intitled to there Opinions... When there acting like an ass about there Opinions...


O people with opinions JUST LIKE YOU.

[Hieithedragon89]

I was defending Halo and its entirety. Anyway the Majority like Halo instead of Dislike Halo.

[Loner_Cuatro]

I was defending Halo and its entirety. Anyway the Majority like Halo instead of Dislike Halo.


Huh? you were defending Halo when you said dome people aren't entitled to their opinion when their being an ass with there opinions? your an ass for just saying that.. o so because the masses like Halo, he should just change his opinion and go with the flow? Sorry my friend, but if you think that, your sadly mistaken.

[Hieithedragon89]

your taking my question and putting another question with it. No I dont want them to go with the flow. I'm saying the Majority likes Halo instead of Dislike Halo.

[Loner_Cuatro]

your taking my question and putting another question with it. No I dont want them to go with the flow. I'm saying the Majority likes Halo instead of Dislike Halo.
what qeustion? you asked no question. so you said that? what does that have to do wiht ANYTHING I said? nothing? thats what I thought you just threw that in there.

[Hieithedragon89]

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[primal.instinct]

Ok Hiei, you name shamer, right about now you've lost the argument and you have no further business posting anymore of the rest of them will become like the one you just did right now.

"................................."

clearly has nothing to do at all with the thread. and if you wished to have emoted a blank expression, ceasing to post altogether is more that sufficient to show it.

Loner, drop the whole thing right now and the rest of this BS can stop, please, from a point of view that does want to read a thread about "Halo/CS bad points/good points" instead of 2 people at each other's throats.

Thank you.

[jinx]

Both of you need to shut the hell up. Loner, just don't argue. This kid won't quit.


Now, no need for flaming opinions (especially you Sanders and hiet). I'm all for the hatred of things (only with backed up facts, which is what Slipknot has done). But there is no need to flame people for their opinions (happens to me a whole lot).

[Hieithedragon89]

I'm older than you Idiot...

[jinx]

I'm older than you Idiot...

Wow, are you really? That's something that doesn't matter. You stupid ignorant prick.

[Hieithedragon89]

Your Shallow and Impotent. Argument is over.

[jinx]

What the hell makes me shallow and impotent? I'm neither. You've never met me.

Plus, you can't just end an argument, someone has to leave it be.

Atleast I know how to make proper english instead of the 75% of idiotic kids that think "your" is "you're."


EDIT-Mods, please close this thread. It's getting way out of hand.

[Loner_Cuatro]

Wow, are you really? That's something that doesn't matter. You stupid ignorant prick.
Point made, age doesnt matter.

[QOUTE]Your Shallow and Impotent. Argument is over.[/QUOTE]

Um... wow you can insult someone, now prove that he is Shallow and Impotent.

Mods will probably close this thread soon, becuase were way off topic.

[Hieithedragon89]

You cant tell if he is shallow or Impotent. It's fairly obvious..

anyway I'm fixing to quit posting soon and stuff. My Mom is getting really really sick so I need to take care of her...

[jinx]

You still have yet to prove how I'm shallow or impotent. Because you can't. So stop trying.


Anyways, someone close this thread, it's just a big flame fest.

[Slipknot666]

Wow my first post here in quite a while. I've been busy at home lately with FFXI, but right now I'm at school and I'm bored off my ass so here goes...


Ban this fag.
Reason? Bringing system wars to dragid.
1. How exactly is my sexual orientation relevant to this?
2. How do you know what my sexual orientation is? For your information I am a VERY heterosexual male, but it seems to me like you have some insecurities, as most people who commonly reference "fag" as an insult do. Perhaps you're the "fag" here?
3. Where was the part of your post that was on-topic? I didn't see one so I think if anyone should be banned it should be your punkass for spamming because that's what it is if you post off topic. Anyways, I still stand by what I said in the first place: Halo and CS have few to no strong points, definitely not enough to be considered even decent games, much less incredible like people claim they are. I just got in an argument with some jackass here at my school. I pointed out to a friend an ad in the new Computer Gamer for Unreal Tourney 2k4 and I said "Look, a game to be the NEW best multiplayer FPS, taking the place of UT2k3" and this dumbass kid by us says "Yea even though everyone knows Halo online is the best". Does Halo even have online? I really don't know, much less give a damn, but I proceeded to point out how Halo introduced nothing new to the genre thus making it a cookie cutter FPS like so many now. His response? In the most sarcastic tone I've heard in a long time: "Oh, yeah, because Halo is so unoriginal and didn't introduce anything at all." and I just said something like "Actually it didn't..." This just goes to show the kinds of dumbasses that think Halo is the shit, when it is obvious to a fan of good FPS that Halo is in fact just shit, not THE shit. Anyways if everyone keeps posting off-topic then the mods can go ahead and close this, not like I haven't gotten my point across. I just hope this moron Sanders gets banned for, among other things, being an idiot and posting off-topic with flaming just because I stated my opinion. Good day all, and thank you Loner for taking up my argument in my absence =) I am indebted to you. You never cease to amaze me, everytime I read one of your arguments they seem to be getting better and better.

[Sanders]

1 and 2 are the same thing, you don't need to repeat your self, I could read it over again.

1 and 2 are the same thing, you don't need to repeat your self, I could read it over again.

To answer number 3, you are stupid, your post has no strong points, and you are a fag.

[primal.instinct]

1 and 2 are the same thing, you don't need to repeat your self, I could read it over again.

1 and 2 are the same thing, you don't need to repeat your self, I could read it over again.

To answer number 3, you are stupid, your post has no strong points, and you are a fag.



Okay dumbass, let's go back and read his posts.


1. How exactly is my sexual orientation relevant to this?

hmm, it's asking how his sexual orientation is relevant.


How do you know what my sexual orientation is?

this one asks how you know what his orientation is.

relevance and knowing are two extremely different words and have two extremely different meanings.

now just shut your mouth, shut it tight, stop posting here, and next time you actually have some good reasoning, people might actually listen to you.

How come no mods have closed this thread yet? Look at where it is going. Slip has several times over posted some of the strongest points against CS & HALO I have ever encountered. This argument is already over. Those fighting against Slip and whoever does not support his answers have already lost. Close this already.

[Slipknot666]

1 and 2 are the same thing, you don't need to repeat your self, I could read it over again
1. PrimalInstinct already said something about this to you, and I wouldn't want to repeat myself now.


1 and 2 are the same thing, you don't need to repeat your self, I could read it over again
2. PrimalInstinct already said something about this to you, and I wouldn't want to repeat myself now.

To answer number 3, you are stupid, your post has no strong points, and you are a fag.
3. If I'm stupid how come you're the one who has to resort to flaming and posting no points, only how "Halo is the greatest FPS ever" just like any and every other idiot who can't argue? If my post has no strong points then why do I have a lot of people (who are intelligent unlike some, including but not limited to yourself) who agree with me? And for the last time, how do you know what my sexual orientation is (besides the fact that I TOLD YOU I LIKE WOMEN) and what relevance does it have to a debate on how Halo is a shitty game?
Anyways, thanks, Primal, for gettin' to this before me and saving me some typing. :) *gives Sanders the Super-Satan Throat Kick (tm) and puts him out of our misery*

[jknite]

i really like halo and im looking forward to the sequel..but i think if you play cs it gets boring after an hour..i think that jkotor was over hyped and i thought it sucked even after dling new levels and crap

[knottygrrrl81]

i said they suck but have a few strong points.
mostly being that they suck because i suck at them, & they have a few strong points because i am sure i would looove them if i could actually play

[vash_stampede]

halos controls on a s controler were so gr8, i think thats added so much by settin a gr8 control scheme for fps on xbox

[Exxcellfromhell]

Vietnam. Way overhype and it ended totally crappy. Man im on the vietnam rant today. 3 posts in 10 minutes woo!

[Lunatic High]

the Super Satan Throat Kick sounds like pain. and poor, poor sanders... just because you like a game doesn't mean you can defend it by calling people fags. i like halo, but do you see me in here trying to flame everyone in sight? maybe YOU are the fag, since that's all you seem to think about is gay men.

[jeamourt3]

damn cs is kool , i am looking for a cd-key cuz i cant afford 1.......i am broke...

[LocoKurama]

thank you so much for making this post, I'm sick and frickin tired of all the talk about Halo, ooooo a game where you play first person and shoot aliens, thats just so original and breakthrough, gimme a break!!!!!!!!!

[Blue_Caboose]

I like Halo, I couldn't care for CS though.....

[OtakuBerserker]

im sick of people talking about halo too

[Spike And Vash]

(OT)I nominate Sliknot666 the new madoxx(sp). Counterstrike does get sorta boring after a couple of hours of play time. But it is fun when you knife some noob, head shot that damn AWPER and shet like that.

[jeamourt3]

if u never pwned people then its no fun for u too bad.........or u just lag..


give me ur cd-key if u dont want

jeamourt3@sbcglobal.net

[kindrik23]

the thing that i hate about halo is that its so freakin unbalanced. all it is is a siniping war to see who can kill who from farther away, and the sniper rifle is more powerful than God. if your not good at far away combat the game is a lot hard for you. plus theres no middle ground, your either rly good or rly bad, and im rly bad at it. its really frustrating to be standing somewhere and get shot, not know where the crap its coming from, then die 2 seconds later. the only real guns in the game are the sniper rifle, the pistol, and the rocket launcher, all other guns are pretty bad, and dont tell me the shotgun is good, because by the time your close enough to do any damage with it the other ppl have already killed you from half the field away. i rly dont see what makes it better than say Doom, or Goldeneye. i just think its one games that gets way more credit than it deserves. now about CS, i have no real problem with that except i think it gets real boring real fast.

[XxXSoraXxX]

(OT)I nominate Sliknot666 the new madoxx(sp). Counterstrike does get sorta boring after a couple of hours of play time. But it is fun when you knife some noob, head shot that damn AWPER and shet like that.


Yea right, he could never take Maddox's place.

I don't like Halo because i've seen too much of it's kind. It's like 007 but with high tech futuristic guns. And You can ride vehicles in CS you dumbasses, there just not that detailed.

Woot, go CS

[Marth]

god, i personally hate fps and other----

damn it alot! i just bit my tounge hard!

anyways, i hate shooters. they should die and go to hell.

[cvpkid]

Ok, the arguement sucks here, and I am only halfway through page two.

This is Genmay speak for you, dont insult my grammar/spelling, it is on purpose for the following paragraph

First off, I am used to the [M]ers spelling it Gehylo
If you dont know what the [M] is, dont ask, I cannot tell, and it is never, evar, evar going to show up on Google, AV, or any search engine, they know what they are doing, and will nevar be found

And now back to regular grammar and spelling

I see Jinx trying to bring his opinion inot fact with this:

C&P job here*

"You say that it will suck. Well...lets look at the ratings...Oh yea, your opinion at a business standpoint DOESN'T MATTER. It's the numbers that matter. But there are the critics that actually make a good point (you're not one of them, your points are flawed considering HALO is a great game, better than any other FPS I've played)."

He said nothing about business, and you seem to be trying to poke fun at him...

I have to admit, Gehylo is kick ass graphics, better than my machine can handle..I tried it on my dad's machine, and the graphics are always, at top notch superior to any FPS I have ever played...Quake III: Arena by far has much funnier one liners, and I have played Gehylo. I do not like the game much, but I must say, the graphics were really big at the time...and PC MP gameplay was shit compared to Xbox

And BTW, UT2k4 has vehicles



Onto CS....

I must admit, I kick all my friends asses at CS, but I have only played 4 of them at it...CS does not have alot going for it, but whenever I go to LAN gaming zones, I play CS, and I am decent compared to the others...definitaly not the best out of them, and not the worst, maybe 5 from the bottom, and there were alot of us playing...CS is just hype, but I love it, and I dont play it ever at home, only at LAN zones like Scorpico in Miami when I was with a friend.