Punk Is Dead

[kauaismokesyou]

unfortunatly for all of us punk is dead....does anyone agree? it breathed its last breath about 3 years ago....*sigh* maybe it will come back to life someday

[Molotov Bomb]

no, your an idiot. If punk died, it died in the late 80's, but punk rock is still around, just not the same simple 3 chord punk rock. It still lives through such bands as Against Me!, Leftover Crack, and other bands like it. It has also evolved into such things as Crust and Skunk.

[flowergirlaeris]

You mean you ...don't hear the rock music on your radio or anything of the sort? You can think that but to me, it won't die for a long time. Three years ago eh? :p

[EX-Battousai]

wat r u talking about? 3 years ago? i dun think punk is dead for lots of ppl as long as they still listen to it. i personally do listen to it but i dun go out and show it per say but no its not dead its just that they dun play in on the radio all they play now is....rap....dun get me started on rap......there are very few thing i like about rap but thats another thing.....

[ChaosP86]

how did it die 3 years ago,, what band was so great that when they left it fied, 3 years ago,NONE!!punk isnt dead,,with true punks bands like AGAINST ME! and others like nofx or old misfits,,punk isnt dead,, youre just too dumb to see that there still are great real punk bands around instead of GC crap thats produced soley for market sales and media coverage

[ViEtPyrOchic]

i dont really care if its died or not cuz i'll still be listening to it.....as long as theres stil good music being made im fine....

[TheHalfDemonOne]

i dunn care if punk dead or alive. my city has a handfull of them. im one of them!

[Kansei]

Well, as everyone has said... punk is not dead.
Like I said before, punk will never die as long as people still listen to it. I listen to the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, the Clash, sometimes the Germs, UK Subs. My absolute favorite punk bands are NOFX and the Misfits.

[Prodigy]

Of course the punkers are going to say its not dead. :P I wouldnt say it died, I would say it might have lost some mainstream appeal and popularity among the kiddies. Its raps time in the spot light, the 90's was pop and house/techno, the 80's was a bit of everything now that I think of it, although punk had the largest share.

[knives]

punk is dead


its too bad that people r trying to replace it with crap

[Molotov Bomb]

Originally posted by knives
punk is dead


its too bad that people r trying to replace it with crap

what are you talking about? do you have any information to back this up? no, i'm sure you're just being a dumbass.

[Tapion]

blink 182, Thrice, senses fail, taking back sunday


i dunn care if punk dead or alive. my city has a handfull of them. im one of them!
thx for teh info....

anyway... the ones i listed are more modern punk..even though i do listen to those, i think REAL punk like the ramones.... i think it all but died (as in, there is no new music like tehm... alot of people still listen to it)

[Last Exile Gear]

Originally posted by Tapion
blink 182, Thrice, senses fail, taking back sunday

That's a nice list of crappy pop punk bands you put there. Since it appears that you dont listen to real punk, your opinion is therefor invalid and shouldnt be taken into account here.

[Tapion]

Originally posted by Last Exile Gear
That's a nice list of crappy pop punk bands you put there. Since it appears that you dont listen to real punk, your opinion is therefor invalid and shouldnt be taken into account here.

excuse me jackass.... it would have been nice to quote everything else i said....

anyway... the ones i listed are more modern punk..even though i do listen to those, i think REAL punk like the ramones.... i think it all but died (as in, there is no new music like tehm... alot of people still listen to it)

[Anavel_Gato]

Those aren't modern punk Tapion.

The way kauaismokesyou wrote his thread leads me to believe he isnt a punk, but an idiot.

[rei]

here we go again. the punk talk. how tiring. first of all, punk has always been more of the statement made, not just the sound. in the late 70's when the term started to be used, it wasnt to describe any established style, it was just a term that they threw on to those in the younger generation who had more subversive lifestyles. but as the 80s came and went, up until today it became very strict, and suddenly anarchy had guidleines and a dresscode, even genres within the umbrella of 'punk', such as crust, peace, anarcho, oi, street, and now pop. but even with this can you say its dead? yes and no. yes it can be called dead because the punk most people see today has no edge, no passion, no revolution. when there was a time when this genre was a threat. thats where the fashion was created, in refusing the norm, bending the concepts of gender, and tradition, to be a walking statement of everything wrong with society, and by doing that they had a society within one, a subculture to call their own. but even that has grown tired, and tame. so its burning itself out. through the mainstream. but is it dead? even with all of this? no. well, at least not quite. there is still very much an underground scene. and its alive and well. as long as the kids still crowd the run down clubs on random days of the week, and are as one for a short 4 hours, it might have hope. in places like that, its as if the movement was new. so. still yes and no. if you want to believe its dead because all you get are tame mtv approved middle class white boys singing about problems theyve never had and calling it punk, yes it died, long ago. but if you actually look for the music yourself, and down just swallow what popculture feeds you, maybe you know better.
*heart* rei

[Tapion]

Originally posted by Anavel_Gato
Those aren't modern punk Tapion.



ok, plz correct me if im wrong...but wouldnt modern meen the ones that are around now... as in blink 182 just releasing a new cd...thats modern right?


anyway..i want to know, realy... when you all say "real punk" what are you talking about...

because, sry to dissapoint you.... everything from the rammones to blink 182...its all called "punk"

so when you say "real" what do u meen?

[Last Exile Gear]

Originally posted by Tapion
ok, plz correct me if im wrong...but wouldnt modern meen the ones that are around now... as in blink 182 just releasing a new cd...thats modern right?


anyway..i want to know, realy... when you all say "real punk" what are you talking about...

because, sry to dissapoint you.... everything from the rammones to blink 182...its all called "punk"

so when you say "real" what do u meen?

With the exclusion of the Ramones, all you listed was pop punk, happy go lucky bands that sold out at the first chance they got, and surrendered what little talent they had. REAL punk bands stay underground, keep themselves on small indy labels and dont give a damn about acquiring huge amounts of cash. Those bands are in it for the music and the scene, not money. Those bands are modern punk, because they're the new punk bands, but they still hold the old ideals of their predecessors. If you lived in NY you'd understand.

[Molotov Bomb]

Originally posted by Tapion
ok, plz correct me if im wrong...but wouldnt modern meen the ones that are around now... as in blink 182 just releasing a new cd...thats modern right?


anyway..i want to know, realy... when you all say "real punk" what are you talking about...

because, sry to dissapoint you.... everything from the rammones to blink 182...its all called "punk"

so when you say "real" what do u meen?

Blink 182 is not punk. They are what is called "Pop Punk" which is pretty much alternative rock, but with less talent. There is nothing political or revolutionary about it.

as for recent punk bands, there are plenty, u just haven't heard of it because you don't see them on mtv. wanna know why? because they aren't so ****ty that they need to sell out. they are not afraid of failure.
examples of these bands are: Against Me!, Aus-Rotten, Leftover Crack, Toxic Narcotic, Rise Against, The Queers, Zegota, Strike Anywhere, and many others.

[Anavel_Gato]

Originally posted by Tapion
ok, plz correct me if im wrong...but wouldnt modern meen the ones that are around now... as in blink 182 just releasing a new cd...thats modern right?


anyway..i want to know, realy... when you all say "real punk" what are you talking about...

because, sry to dissapoint you.... everything from the rammones to blink 182...its all called "punk"

so when you say "real" what do u meen?

No, its not. You don't know what you're talking about. Blink 182 isn't punk, so they can't be modern punk.

[AznXtacyX]

Punk is still alive for all those loser who think its dead.
Some modern and past good punk bands:
THe Ramones, The Casualties, Misfits, Sex Pistols, Buzz****s, Rancid, Pennywise, NOFX, ...


Simple Plan, Good Charlette, MXPX, New FOund Glory..
those are poser bands. Their pop punk. They shouldn't even be considered punk. Their ****y bands

[Tapion]

ok hold on....

now u all keep saying that they "sold out"... lets be honest here... if your making millions and these other guys arent... your doing something right, wether u admit it or not.

then again, one of the metal bands i listen to, "The Berzerker" has been around for a few years... they only have 2 cd's out, they wear masks, and they only play at small places... places where the band made by you and your buddies would play..

the guys in The Berzerker also have jobs other than the band, so the music is mainly to have a voice, a way to state opinions...


ok, great, now theres two sides....

but how does not wanting to be known make you better?
i meen realy? if you "sell out" you have alot of fans...making anyone who thinks that "selling out" is evil, part of a minority that makes no sence to want to be in.

i meen, just because i band "sells out" doesnt meen i have to like it...but if i like the band to start with, y should i care if they do or not?

[Molotov Bomb]

Originally posted by Tapion
ok hold on....

now u all keep saying that they "sold out"... lets be honest here... if your making millions and these other guys arent... your doing something right, wether u admit it or not.

then again, one of the metal bands i listen to, "The Berzerker" has been around for a few years... they only have 2 cd's out, they wear masks, and they only play at small places... places where the band made by you and your buddies would play..

the guys in The Berzerker also have jobs other than the band, so the music is mainly to have a voice, a way to state opinions...


ok, great, now theres two sides....

but how does not wanting to be known make you better?
i meen realy? if you "sell out" you have alot of fans...making anyone who thinks that "selling out" is evil, part of a minority that makes no sence to want to be in.

i meen, just because i band "sells out" doesnt meen i have to like it...but if i like the band to start with, y should i care if they do or not?

You seem to not understand the goal of punk rock. They don't need to ***** their music for millions of dollars to teeny boppers and morons to be successful. Music is an art, not meant to be used as only a market, which is what a lot of major record labels are only in the business for. Suddenly a band has a whole ****load of shirts with their faces all over it for sale and they are all over TV. They have become merely figureheads, and are no longer real musicians.

Punk rock isn't for the rich. It isn't for the media driven. It isn't for MTV. It's for those who truly appreciate the music and what it stands for, and selling out is just like betraying all your values and fans.

[anarchistbabie]

I agree with Molotov Bomb ,, Tapion's views are of someone that apparently dosent understand... I suppose I'll give my opinion since I have been looking over this thread for awhile,, The whole Blink 182 thing is sickening its sad if you actually are labeling yourself as a punk and throwing such bands as Sum 41 , blink 182 and Good charlotte (pop punk) into your CD player,, Ever hear of Duane Peters ( US BOMBS) ,, well Duanes perspective of a sellout I agreed with so i'll put here what he said " Nobody real ever breaks through to the candy coated America." ,, If the same thing is on a record every single time I believe that makes it a sellout ,, Switching things up and Having something totally different on every single record you come out with,, I believe that says something about you. But America apparently wants this "sell out" stuff like your listening too,, I believe America as of now is being fed nothing,, Because everything real will never be brought to it,, As of now Tapion it looks as though your getting your image from TV shows and kids that walk around the mall cause your certainly lacking in knowledge of real punk music,, I suggest you get a Against me! cd ,, you might learn something. A band like this isnt worried about the money ,, Punk in the 70's was all like that ,, unfortently somewhere along the line Money became more important then the meaning these bands stood for ,, We still have Modern day Punk Rock bands that arent about the money,, There listed by others ,, Theres not much to say I argued this too many times and I'm done when it comes to pop punk being modern day real punk,,

[AznXtacyX]

Originally posted by Molotov Bomb
You seem to not understand the goal of punk rock. They don't need to ***** their music for millions of dollars to teeny boppers and morons to be successful. Music is an art, not meant to be used as only a market, which is what a lot of major record labels are only in the business for. Suddenly a band has a whole ****load of shirts with their faces all over it for sale and they are all over TV. They have become merely figureheads, and are no longer real musicians.

Punk rock isn't for the rich. It isn't for the media driven. It isn't for MTV. It's for those who truly appreciate the music and what it stands for, and selling out is just like betraying all your values and fans.

Amen Brother.

[Slipknot666]

Originally posted by Molotov Bomb
You seem to not understand the goal of punk rock. They don't need to ***** their music for millions of dollars to teeny boppers and morons to be successful. Music is an art, not meant to be used as only a market, which is what a lot of major record labels are only in the business for. Suddenly a band has a whole ****load of shirts with their faces all over it for sale and they are all over TV. They have become merely figureheads, and are no longer real musicians.

Punk rock isn't for the rich. It isn't for the media driven. It isn't for MTV. It's for those who truly appreciate the music and what it stands for, and selling out is just like betraying all your values and fans.
Agreed. That's what I tried to explain to people about Tool a long time ago in that thread I made about how Tool sold out...

Anyways, this is to everyone who thinks punk is dead: Punk isn't dead, but YOU should be. People that stupid have no place in any world. People that stupid should be put in a leper colony for fear that their stupidity would spread. Because, as we all know, stupidity is incredibly contagious thing known to man.

[kauaismokesyou]

meh.......Why am I an idiot peasant? im just stating my opinion. maybe I'm wrong, idunno but from my viewpoint, this "nupunk" stuff is ****. And YES i know GC and SP and Blink are not punk and they suck....this is about on 1955746 threads and just get over it, people know they arent "punk". Can someone define punk for me? And maybe poser? I mean, who has the right to call someone else a "poser" does that make them a "punk"? I know im not a "punk" and while I enjoy the old punk such as "ramones" "sex pistols"....etc.... this new Warped Tour-y stuff doesnt appeal to me at all. Mostly about people whining about their dad/gf/government....whatever

[Tapion]

ok, you know what...im tired of this so lets end it this way please?


the definition of punk has changed.

because, whether you realize it or not, there are no two of you who have completly agreed.

its like labeling someone, whos to say whos gothic/punk/ w/e... no one know.... and i dont see why we keep getting at each other when realy... we shoudlnt care.

note: just because i used the word "definition" does not meen like..websters ok? cuz if you looked it up in a dictionary...

Dry decayed wood, used as tinder.
Any of various substances that smolder when ignited, used to light fireworks.
Chinese incense.

or the slang terms some of which being.

Of poor quality; worthless.
Weak in spirits or health.
A young man who is the sexual partner of an older man.
A prostitute

[DaRkPhIrEcLoUd]

meh.......Why am I an idiot peasant? im just stating my opinion. maybe I'm wrong, idunno but from my viewpoint, this "nupunk" stuff is ****. And YES i know GC and SP and Blink are not punk and they suck....this is about on 1955746 threads and just get over it, people know they arent "punk". Can someone define punk for me? And maybe poser? I mean, who has the right to call someone else a "poser" does that make them a "punk"? I know im not a "punk" and while I enjoy the old punk such as "ramones" "sex pistols"....etc.... this new Warped Tour-y stuff doesnt appeal to me at all. Mostly about people whining about their dad/gf/government....whatever

HAHA nice......

[huHwhaTyeaH]

gah, punk is punk. get it straight. and this whole arguement on what's punk is kind of funny. (haha) in my opinion i don't think punk is dead, and even if some ppl believe that, who gives a flying freak. if you like punk good for you and if you dont well too bad. i like bands like the sex pistols and rancid. and i like some of the "pop/emo punk" bands too, but i wouldn't post it on a punk thread because it's "pop/emo punk" not punk. well, punk is punk to me. just stay in the named catagory so there wont be anymore useless bickering on what's punk over and over again.